Peacock

[lhosphotography]

Hi,

Would love your thoughts on this image.
I havent done allot to it except a crop to make it more central and fiddled in curves a bit.
Does it need something else..? i didnt think so but thought i would get a second opinion or two.:fingerscr

[Marko]

Cool image! What an amazing bird.
To me the eye looks a bit soft so I'd try to sharpen it a wee bit without going overboard.

[Richard]

I agree with Marko here, great subject, Just needs a little bit of sharpening. You could also see if increasing the contrast helps it to pop some more...

[jjeling]

I like the composition here. Looks like some of the blues are a little blown out. Increasing the contrast might help, but I would be careful not to over due this. It is easily overdone. The blues really seem a little weird over here though and the body seems a little out of focus as Marko state. Could be my monitor though. Anyone else on this one?

[Mad Aussie]

I'm happy with this one but do agree that birds eye needs to be sharper. I'd be selectively sharpening that whole head if it were me.

Really nice shot though.

A few days ago we were out on big bike ride (77 kms in total) and we came around a bend to be faced with 6 peacocks, in pairs, on both sides of the road. None them gave us a display like this though! :)

[Bambi]

lovely catch!!! I agree with everyone else re: sharpening the head.


MA the peacocks were probably too busy looking at the colours of the bicycle apparel. :laughing:

[Mad Aussie]

MA the peacocks were probably too busy looking at the colours of the bicycle apparel. :laughing:
Yeh they probably thought if they flashed their feathers they'd suffer by comparison to our cycling kit ;)

[MoinMoin]

I am going with Marko about a sharper eye. But I do love the colours and the great texture of the feathers!:highfive:

[masp]

Wow, nice subject! Some of the blues and whites on the birds face look a bit strange to me too. Maybe tweaking tone curves or white balance would help? It could be my monitor though, I think this is a tough subject to capture or display on a computer monitor.

Also you could experiment more with the cropping. An off center composition might be more dynamic.

[Mad Aussie]

I find the blues perfect on my monitor.

But I do find that the red/majenta seems too high.

[Duane]

I could see this image in a frame on a wall somewhere. Very nice capture.

[Wicked Dark]

At the risk of sounding like a superior blowhard and not meaning to insult the OP who may be a veteran photographer, I find it interesting that everyone thinks the best way to solve the problems with the photo in post processing. Granted, the magenta cast might be solvable, but the real problem is focus. Either from lack of experience or planning the person behind the camera did not focus on the bird's eyes, instead letting the AF mode focus on the tail. A new user wouldn't necessarily know that the camera would work this way, but nine times out of ten it will. Understanding why and how to overcome this is the real lesson here, not selective sharpening. How can you sharpen out of focus pixels?

Instead, I offer this - compositionally this is a good photo. Peacocks in good light who will display for you are almost impossible to photograph badly. So, good instincts there. However, remember for next time that if you leave the camera in AF the sheer massiveness of that tail will overwhelm the system; forcing it to miss the rather small head and eyes of the bird which really need to be sharply in focus. Change to a single AF point or manual focus and make sure you pinpoint the head and eyes. If the tail is OOF, so what.

Anyway...I'm sorry if I come off as harsh, but I'd rather correct the source of the problem than try to mask its symptoms.

[Kawarthabob]

I'd have to agree with WD. The thing to do would be to focus on the head and eyes using one focal point or shoot in manual mode. otherwise good shot!:thumbup:

[Mad Aussie]

WD ... Several of us said focusing on the eye was the key to making the photo better.

The advice given here is sometimes to fix the photo in question (hence post precessing suggestions) or how to improve the photo when taken.
In this case the thread author asked what could be done about this photo now, suggesting post processing advice.
There are many, many threads here that go into a lot of depth about how to have made the photo better in the first place. Sometimes this is forthcoming without being asked for (which is fine in the Critiques section of course) and sometimes it's not.
Sometimes it's something we miss until something like yourself notices it and makes mention. That's how this works. Lots of opinion for the thread author to consider.

Without question, learning to use the auto focus points (selecting 1 only and having it on the eye) would be a good start to not having to sharpen later.

What do you think sharpening software is for if not to sharpen slightly blurring, out of focus pixels I wonder?
I know I can confidently sharpen that eye, selectively if I want, in pp.

The majenta? Well ... perhaps that's close to the colour of the birds feathers at this stage of it's cycle? I have no idea. I think the colour changes made in pp have lifted it too far though.

[Wicked Dark]

I beg to differ Mad Aussie. An out of focus image with sharpening tools applied is only going to crisp blurred pixel edges. It isn't going to magically bring an image into focus.

[Marko]

I dunno WD, it's a depends answer imo. For this image, I think extra sharpening could help. If the sharpening point (eye) was blurrier, then I agree with you for sure.

Just want to say one thing and this is a coincidence perhaps. But just yesterday I bought Frans Lanting's Book Eye to Eye. He's very well known. There is an image of a peacock that is very very close to this image except for one thing this image is sharper and has richer colour.

Although for me personally, I always strive for a tack sharp eye, not getting it but getting close and having other parts of the image that still rock....that still makes the image worth posting or printing - IMO.

At the end of the day, very few images make it to what i would call perfection, something is just off...if some basic PP can fix without spoiling the image...that's good no? Keep in mind, before digital (film) sharpening was a whole other ballgame...we are sharpening a jillion times more than with film because the technology is very different :twocents:

[lhosphotography]

Wow! I'm blown away with the responce this image has received, thank you all very much for all of your comments.
I agree that the eye should be sharper, I am going to try and do this in photoshop this evening, I shall post the results when I have done it.
Also I do agree with WD I should have used a single Af point and focused more on the eye, But in my defence it was one of those situations I didnt have time to think I was shaking when I pressed the shutter all of what I had learnt went straight out the window!! realy I would have liked to have been able to use my tripod and shutter release to get a real tack sharp image but that wasnt possible.
Thankyou again everybody!!

[Mad Aussie]

WD is right in terms of sharpening not 'fixing' the out of focus pixels. But WD is also a little narrow minded on this point (in my opinion) in terms that sharpening does improve the image in many cases.

[Mad Aussie]

Wow! I'm blown away with the responce this image has received,
It's been a good image for this. Debate of this kind really helps us all to look at things from other perspectives.

[lhosphotography]

Hello,
Well Ive attempted some PP on this bird after some advice from you all.
What do you think??

Ive sharpend the eye a bit and the breast.
Also ive redused the red and majenta a little bit.

[Mad Aussie]

I think it's an improvement.

As you've already understood ... selecting the single af point and hitting that eye would have been a better option in the first place, but this certainly lifts the photo a bit into the right direction I fell.

[Wicked Dark]

oh MA, I'm not narrow minded, really, I mess in Lightroom a ton. : ) What I'm inadequately saying is that I feel people should learn to master their camera first and their processng software second. If they produced better images from the first, they would have less need for the second. I'd rather have someone walk away with information on how to make a better picture than concentrate on ways to mask their mistakes in software.

sorry to derail your thread Ihosphotography.

[Mad Aussie]

oh MA, I'm not narrow minded, really, I mess in Lightroom a ton. : ) What I'm inadequately saying is that I feel people should learn to master their camera first and their processng software second. If they produced better images from the first, they would have less need for the second. I'd rather have someone walk away with information on how to make a better picture than concentrate on ways to mask their mistakes in software.
Oh I totally agree with that WD. Every word. :thumbup:

And I just said "a bit narrow minded on this point (in my opinion)" ... not narrow minded in general :)
And my opinion has never been accepted as Gospel .... hence why I make it clear it is only my opinion ;)

[lhosphotography]

Thankyou Mad aussie for the sharpening tips on your Astro Visual Photography BLOG it was a great help as I had no clue how to do this.
Grate blogg by the way!

Do you think this image is ready to be put up for sale? if I put a nice border around it

WD in future I will make sure i get the focusing right and the AF to reduce the nead for PP editing....I do understand what you are saying. Thankyou for your comments.

[Mad Aussie]

Thankyou Mad aussie for the sharpening tips on your Astro Visual Photography BLOG it was a great help as I had no clue how to do this.
Grate blogg by the way!

Do you think this image is ready to be put up for sale? if I put a nice border around it

WD in future I will make sure i get the focusing right and the AF to reduce the nead for PP editing....I do understand what you are saying. Thankyou for your comments.
Thank YOU for mentioning my blog helped you! It's so nice to hear feedback like that!

Yes, WD's advice is spot on. Prevention is always better than cure ;)

Ready for sale? That's a tough one to answer! This is a nice shot and probably is indeed saleable at the right price, in the right size, to the right person, in the format etc etc.
For instance, for web or as a smaller shot in a magazine or something I'm sure it's very well suited. To be blown up to poster size for top dollar, I don't personally think so, but then someone might love it, pay the money and prove me totally wrong. That's photography for you ... so subjective it's literally impossible to take a photo that everyone loves it seems, or at least near impossible.

[Marko]

I like this version better lhosphotography. :thumbup:

[Michaelaw]

Despite all the problems mentioned, It's still an awesome shot :thumbup: And I never got to the second one which is even awsomer...I've applied for a patent on that word :)