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Iguanasan
04-29-2010, 11:28 AM
PhotoshopDisasters: En Marche: Camping Disaster (http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2010/04/en-marche-camping-disaster.html)

JAS_Photo
04-29-2010, 12:02 PM
I don't get the big deal. I don't even think this is photoshopped.

russ
04-29-2010, 12:14 PM
JAS, the girls leg :D and the mans leg. Good blending bad execution.

Bambi
04-29-2010, 12:14 PM
I saw this and laughed out loud! It looks like dad has a girl growing out of his hip and the girl's other leg is like a barbie doll and totally twist the other direction. not to mention that he lost his other leg.......:laughing:

kat
04-29-2010, 12:50 PM
There are legs under the jacket. Ha ha..great photo to make you think.

Bambi
04-29-2010, 12:51 PM
There are legs under the jacket. Ha ha..great photo to make you think.

maybe. I still think that the girl's torso does not match how her legs would be.

crystalb
04-29-2010, 01:35 PM
the girl is leaning into her dad, girl's other leg is under her jacket
definitely looks odd at first glance....

Michaelaw
04-29-2010, 04:37 PM
No photoshopping here, just well executed arrangement:thumbup:

Wicked Dark
04-29-2010, 08:10 PM
I've been following this blog for a couple years now. It's good for a laugh now and again.

Mad Aussie
04-30-2010, 05:57 AM
There's so many things wrong it couldn't have been a serious attempt to fool.

The man's foot is a left foot but in the girls right foot location.

There's a botom of a door under the table yet only blinds above ... etc etc.

AcadieLibre
04-30-2010, 06:52 AM
Is it really that hard to find two models and a kitchen set and take a proper photo and not need to photoshop it. That is not even a photograph, at best a collage. I had a chat with a fashion photographer at a fashion show I went to with my daughter and her friend who were going to their first function for their employers, anyway back on topic. He went into the talk of how great photo shop is, and I made if perfectly clear my position and his response well look at fashion magazines and they all photoshop, my response well that in itself tells you everything that is wrong with photoshop and where potentially photography is headed, and it is not good.

casil403
04-30-2010, 07:27 AM
Funny, I saw a magazine recently where Jaime Lee Curtis was on the cover page and it looked like it had been photoshopped in some areas as a while back she did a story in another magazine where she refused to be altered and you could see how she really looked without the touchups...which I thought was awesome! And she didn't look like she did on the cover of the magazine I saw her on 2 days ago....funny part was the title was something to do with her being 50-something and how great life is and how great she looks...which she does anyhow without the touching up...she actually looked better in the unaltered photos I thought. :)

Recent cover:
http://www.more.com/2049/17242-jamie-lee-curtis-s-memories-of

Past cover:
http://www.more.com/2049/2464-jamie-lee-curtis--true-thighs

Edit: Looking at the two of them I guess it is not as bad as I thought but I still think there was some enhancing going on.

Greg_Nuspel
04-30-2010, 08:33 AM
CS5 has features just for the fashion industry. Sure they try and make it look like it's for scenic work, but now flaws and waistlines are much easier to fix. It's my conspiracy theory for the day :headslap:

crystalb
04-30-2010, 09:23 AM
There's a botom of a door under the table yet only blinds above ... etc etc.


That's not a door, its a radiator with a cover :)

Iguanasan
04-30-2010, 09:50 AM
That's not a door, its a radiator with a cover :)

Look a little farther left. There's definitely a door there. Not sure, though, it could be a french door?

I didn't realize I was going to start such a buzz with this one. I have the PSD site in my RSS. Some of them are truly amazingly bad. Some are iffy. I think this one has a bit of both.

The angles just don't look right to me but maybe that's what they were going for? Looking at the photo I said, that's amazingly bad but after all the conversation I began to look a little closer. My high school french sucks but doesn't that say something along the lines of "Under 7 years old it's 100% reimbursed so maybe they're trying to fool the doctor?

JAS_Photo
04-30-2010, 11:37 AM
I think that is it exactly, Iggy. It's basically a cartoon strip with real people. The joke is, that they are trying to fool their doctor. Even if it were photoshopped which I doubt, the clumsiness is on the part of the two trying to pull off the charade and not on the part of the photographer.

kat
04-30-2010, 01:10 PM
I'm thinking along the lines of JAS.

I still don't understand how they make a waist smaller..lol. Or boobs bigger without altering what the people are wearing. I just can't wrap my mind around how that can be done.

Either case.. I leave my wrinkles alone. They define who I am..along with my flat butt :P

Iguanasan
04-30-2010, 02:13 PM
...snip...I still don't understand how they make a waist smaller..lol. Or boobs bigger without altering what the people are wearing. I just can't wrap my mind around how that can be done.
...snip...

Go to YouTube and search for Extreme Photoshop Makeover... You'll find a few videos which demonstrate what they do... pretty amazing skills:

YouTube - Photoshop Extreme Makeover - Angela Talbotīs Old Lady (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3U2u1IC78U)

YouTube - Extreme Makeover Photoshop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG-25nNlEkY)

kat
04-30-2010, 02:32 PM
holy cow.. scary how they change. i don't have sound so not to sure if there was talk with it..but none the less..omg

Michaelaw
05-04-2010, 01:04 AM
There's so many things wrong it couldn't have been a serious attempt to fool.

The man's foot is a left foot but in the girls right foot location.

There's a botom of a door under the table yet only blinds above ... etc etc.

I'm still saying no manipulation here MA, just clever arrangement. If you look at the PDF of the original, you'll see that the lower door panel extends slightly above bench thing they're sitting on. The bottom of the window clearly begins at that point and would make the furnace air return consistent also. Dad's right leg is beneath the dangling coat and the girls left leg is under the coat to her left, if you see that then the toe is on the proper side. Maybe I'm wrong but the closer I look, the more the arrangement looks perfectly well crafted with zero need for manipulation in PP other than levels and sharpening:)

Mad Aussie
05-04-2010, 03:19 AM
I stand erected M! I think you and JAS are dead right. Looking at the pdf (and being able to zoom in) I can see that the door is in fact behind those blinds. The blinds have been lifted to reveal the lower door.
And the legs are just well concealed and the little girl well positioned.

It totally fooled me. I saw a bad photoshop job when none existed at all.

Michaelaw
05-04-2010, 03:49 AM
I was so focused on the people in the image I was unaware of their surroundings MA and upon your post was about to send you a reply much the same as yours. I thought I'd been had! Your post made me realize how superficially I'd actually glanced this image. Deeper study convinced me (though I'm totally open to rebuttal 0f my concept) that my first impression was accurate. What fooled me here MA was my respect for you to usually catch small details that I consistency overlook:thumbup:

Mad Aussie
05-04-2010, 04:43 AM
High praise indeed from you M! But hey ... I'm more than happy to admit when I'm wrong ... as long as I learn something ;)

Greg_Nuspel
05-04-2010, 06:29 AM
I agree with the no manipulation.

Michaelaw
05-04-2010, 04:08 PM
Is it really that hard to find two models and a kitchen set and take a proper photo and not need to photoshop it. That is not even a photograph, at best a collage. I had a chat with a fashion photographer at a fashion show I went to with my daughter and her friend who were going to their first function for their employers, anyway back on topic. He went into the talk of how great photo shop is, and I made if perfectly clear my position and his response well look at fashion magazines and they all photoshop, my response well that in itself tells you everything that is wrong with photoshop and where potentially photography is headed, and it is not good.

If I'm not mistaken, the fashion industry has always manipulated its images AL. Before Photoshop it was airbrushing and the like. If anything, I think photoshop has added speed to their workflow...Same tricks supercharged :)

AcadieLibre
05-04-2010, 06:09 PM
Post shooting trickery has been around as long almost as photography has been around and I am fully aware if it and it will be around far longer than I will ever be. I just think that since it has been computerized so many people do it that it is more the norm than not using it and I think it is just unfortunate.

Mad Aussie
05-04-2010, 06:12 PM
Post shooting trickery has been around as long almost as photography has been around and I am fully aware if it and it will be around far longer than I will ever be. I just think that since it has been computerized so many people do it that it is more the norm than not using it and I think it is just unfortunate.
As much as I enjoy my post processing, I also love it when a photo needs nothing, or just the very, very basics, so I understand what you are saying.

AcadieLibre
05-04-2010, 07:12 PM
As much as I enjoy my post processing, I also love it when a photo needs nothing, or just the very, very basics, so I understand what you are saying.

I love to play in PS for the fun of it, I just do not sell of market anything that I play with in PS. I used to do all sorts of crap in the darkroom also just so I knew how to do it and the same now goes for PS. As for doing it for marketing we all should know by now they will do almost anything to con you into a sale so I expect it in marketing just not when it comes to photography in general it should be the exception opposed to the norm. It is also hard to know where the line these days for those who were not around or old enough to know what it is like to shoot where you had to get a good shot or you just lost a lot of money on film and it would be too costly to not take good photos. I try to allow for the difference in technology but I still hope there are young photographers who strive to be good photographers as opposed to good PS'ers.

Mad Aussie
05-04-2010, 07:20 PM
I also totally agree with the point (not that you are focusing on this but ...) that too many people these days (including myself if I'm 'time poor') will accept a lesser shot knowing they can 'fix' it later in pp rather than strive for more in camera. For many of us that didn't do any darkroom processing with film, we made huge efforts to get things right in camera because once that button was pressed our control and options ended right there. The digital age has certainly changed that thinking. Being able to 'chimp' and re-shoot is greatly convenient but it begs the question of how many 'good' or 'great' photographers of today in digital would have been good or great years ago using film.

Greg_Nuspel
05-04-2010, 07:34 PM
Some people like Nikon and some people like Canon while others like something else. Isn't it great that we all can make our own choice.

casil403
05-04-2010, 10:57 PM
LoL..... this conversation reminds me when I started running.

About 8 years ago, I decided to train for a 10k so I joined a learn to run group for support and camaraderie. Learning to run involves walk and run times starting with more walking than running and as the weeks progress the run time increases and walk time decreases. Well, I did some reading and came across all sorts of thoughts and opinions by some running purists that using the walk run method is not "true or real" running and it was ruining the sport of race running etc.
In the end, I had fun doing it, it was a great hobby that I enjoyed for a while, I participated in something with people I didn't know, and learned to do something I hadn't done before...I don't think that is so bad. :)

Reminds me of photography and post processing...same debate different subject. :)

I liken extreme photoshopping in advertising (body manipulation/modification) to running a block, turning a corner and getting in a car then driving to 1 block short of the finish line and getting out and running the last block though. ;)

AcadieLibre
05-05-2010, 11:29 AM
I always look at these conversations like the vinyl/cd discussion, I am probably more fond of film and in camera settings as it is like vinyl both what I grew up with and now being like some old guy I am nostalgic for the "Good Ole Days" lmaoooo, but vinyl does sound better than the cold sound of CD and knowing how to shoot without PS and keeping it old school because being being old it is pretty hard not too lol . I was looking through the Contact magazine to plan out shows I may check out and I am surprised I am in such a minority, I guess some of us old people just cannot change our ways. :shrug: :) :clown: I am one who thinks you just do what your comfortable with even if you're wrong and disagree with me, I was wrong once, I had thought I had made a mistake lmaoooo ....