Food for thought

[Michaelaw]

Thanks for the link Bambi. In digging deeper into this I'm also finding studies that insist there is a link, and it doesn't help when CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding, admitted during a CNN interview ( though it was in 2008 but beyond the link you provided to a story from 2006?) that vaccines can trigger autism in a certain vulnerable subset of children. So once again I feel sort of powerless, I mean the truth is out there...Somewhere. Sometimes I really wish I could just swallow and believe what I'm told, Life would be so much simpler but alas, I've seen far to many examples of bad science and dis info for profit waged to ever let my guard down

Edit to add....Funny but doing all this research reminded me of when I was a child. On at least two occasions we got hold of mercury from busted thermometers and rolled it around in our hands for extended periods of time. I was later diagnosed with a mild case of Aspergers syndrome and sent off to Littlegreen boarding school. Could there be a connection? Anyone else hearing that Twilight Zone music

[Bambi]

Thanks for the link Bambi. In digging deeper into this I'm also finding studies that insist there is a link, and it doesn't help when CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding, admitted during a CNN interview ( though it was in 2008 but beyond the link you provided to a story from 2006?) that vaccines can trigger autism in a certain vulnerable subset of children. So once again I feel sort of powerless, I mean the truth is out there...Somewhere. Sometimes I really wish I could just swallow and believe what I'm told, Life would be so much simpler but alas, I've seen far to many examples of bad science and dis info for profit waged to ever let my guard down

Edit to add....Funny but doing all this research reminded me of when I was a child. On at least two occasions we got hold of mercury from busted thermometers and rolled it around in our hands for extended periods of time. I was later diagnosed with a mild case of Aspergers syndrome and sent off to Littlegreen boarding school. Could there be a connection? Anyone else hearing that Twilight Zone music

Hi Michael, I will try to track down the more recent article the seems to have settled the debate in scientific circles.

Autism is now viewed as neurologically based. therefore, siezure disorders can often be linked to autism (landau kleffner syndrome being one such). but not all children with seizures are autistic. and for those that are the seizures are present under 2 years of age. Aspergers fits on the mild end of the ASD spectrum. However, the link to mercury and neurological disorders I have no knowledge of what soever. I do know that the human brain is a very complex organism and that I doubt the mercury did it. How old were you when you started to play with it?

[Marko]

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate these provocative non-photographic threads. Lotsa interesting members with interesting viewpoints on our board

[Bambi]

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate these provocative non-photographic threads. Lotsa interesting members with interesting viewpoints on our board

thanks. Sometimes I think that I think too much...but that leads in a circle

[Bambi]

HI Michael
I have found a few more links for you:
No Scientific Link Between Childhood Vaccines And Autism, Review Shows
to quote:

ScienceDaily (Oct. 10, 2009) — A new article recently published in the Journal for Specialists in Pediatric Nursing explored vaccination history, vaccine safety monitoring systems in the U.S., and the two most publicized theoretical vaccine-related exposures associated with autism – the vaccine preservative thimerosal and the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine. A review of published research shows that there is not convincing scientific evidence supporting a relationship between vaccines and autism.

Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies
this is the abstract from the article in J. of Specialists in Pediatric Nursing
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and you can read the entire article here:
Autism and Vaccination-The Current Evidence - page 2 | Journal for Specialists in Pediatric Nursing

I am attending a conference on autism this weekend and there's a talk by a leading expert on environmental factors and Autism. should be interesting!

[Michaelaw]

Thanks Bambi. I came across this info put forth by a Spanish doctor and as you had said you were willing to get a swine flu shot I thought it irresponsible on my part were I not to share this onfo with you.

Part 1YouTube - 1/6 BELL TOLLING for the Swine Flu (CAMPANAS por la gripe A) subtitled

Part 2YouTube - 2/6 BELL TOLLING for the Swine Flu (CAMPANAS por la gripe A) subtitled

Part 3

part 4

Part 5

YouTube - 6/6 BELL TOLLING for the Swine Flu (CAMPANAS por la gripe A) subtitled

[Greg_Nuspel]

Here is a public health announcement from the government

[Bambi]

Hey Michael, I watched a bit of the videos but not all. I am relunctant to believe a youtube video on youtube as it's too easy to falsify credentials.
I have had the shot and had no ill effects.

Interestingly enough tonight I heard a lecture by an expert in prenatal exposure and the consequences. It seems that if the mother has rubella in the first 8 weeks of pregnancy, the risk of autism in the fetus increases by a factor of 40! That's huge. It makes me wonder of the impact when there are many parents choosing to not vaccinate their children for rubella. they are putting their grandchildren at risk.

Greg, I loved yours!

[Michaelaw]

You are correct about the ease of falsifying credentials but in this persons case it takes no time at all to trace back to the fact that she is legit and all the evidence she provides has been well documented by groups that are also easily tracked. For anyone who's done the research, most of what she relates has been in the alternative press for a while now but I liked how she encapsulated it, presented the knowledge and I find her conclusions interesting, though again, the information she offers has been on the trail for a while now. I am tracking a new viral outbreak in the Ukraine reportedly stemming from a local Baxter plant. I can't however verify a Baxter plant in the Ukraine, nearest is Moscow? From all I've read from various sources globally( Re the vaccine), at this time I suspect some underhanded manipulation will be evident at some time in the future. Youtube is generally my last resort also though for different reasons. Interestingly, I'm unaware of any mandatory vaccinations other than what was tried and seemingly backfired in some areas of US health care, though I haven't had time to really investigate that particular area. As one my old Profs used to say "It is what it is!"

PS Teresa Forcades has already been on the hotseat with the Vatican for her stance on abortion.

Link


Seems the WHO have now decided the Ukraine thing is H1N1

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Edit to add. As the good doctor points out, flu has been with us for ages at various threat levels of intensity, with that in mind and given that the swine H1N1 is allegedly no more deadly than any other seasonal flu, why the Level 6 pandemic status? This gives the WHO way more power within the international community, instead of just issuing health recommendations, they now issue health orders. Digging into the formation of the WHO and its powerbase can also open up a rather large can of "I don't want to know" worms!

[Michaelaw]

I am closing my files on this one, I have researched it as far as I'm willing to take it. The documentation is too horrific and the little dots join up with too much precision! I am now placing my head in the sand, If I make it to next summer, I make it but if I dwell on my findings I'll go mental. So I'm finished going down this road