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tegan
09-08-2008, 08:00 AM
As I indicated elsewhere here, HDR on buildings is most often unnecessary.
This photo was AS SHOT, from a fast moving car with NO postprocessing.

Tegan
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/ocophoto/Copy2ofparlament.jpg

baddness
09-08-2008, 09:11 AM
from a fast moving car? Oh my :) Must've been a very fast shutter speed.
Awesome shot tegan, I really like it.

tirediron
09-08-2008, 09:34 AM
Interesting; what combination of settings resulted in that unusual appearance?

tegan
09-08-2008, 10:26 AM
Interesting; what combination of settings resulted in that unusual appearance?

1/320 sec. at f. 5, ISO 100, 27mm focal length
polarizing filter adjusted to maximum
dynamic range optimizer adjusted to maximum

Tegan

Marko
09-08-2008, 10:36 AM
dynamic range optimizer adjusted to maximum

I really like this shot tegan and like it even more based on the conditions it was taken in.

But I'm guessing that it is the dynamic processer that is adding that extra something to the tones to the shot. If this is the case then I think it's a bit misleading to say "as shot" with no post processing...since others could not get that effect if they did not have the dynamic range optimizer.

Can you show us what the shot would have looked liked without this optimizer?

Thx!

M

tegan
09-08-2008, 10:53 AM
I really like this shot tegan and like it even more based on the conditions it was taken in.

But I'm guessing that it is the dynamic processer that is adding that extra something to the tones to the shot. If this is the case then I think it's a bit misleading to say "as shot" with no post processing...since others could not get that effect if they did not have the dynamic range optimizer.

Can you show us what the shot would have looked liked without this optimizer?

Thx!

M

There is NO dynamic processor that adds anything to the tones of the shot.
It is a metering system that does selective calculations to areas of the photo against a brighter background and adjusts metering on the fly.

So, it is "as shot", despite what others have or don't have on their cameras. As a matter of fact wasn't someone previously differentiating between camera shooting and postprocessing as well as suggesting that all photography did not involve manipulation? Are camera features such as specialized metering now grouped in with post maniplation?

Tegan

Marko
09-08-2008, 11:26 AM
There is NO dynamic processor that adds anything to the tones of the shot.
It is a metering system that does selective calculations to areas of the photo against a brighter background and adjusts metering on the fly.

So, it is "as shot", despite what others have or don't have on their cameras. As a matter of fact wasn't someone previously differentiating between camera shooting and postprocessing as well as suggesting that all photography did not involve manipulation? Are camera features such as specialized metering now grouped in with post maniplation?

Tegan

Are you suggesting that the tones in this image are NOT unusual and that this optimizer is not doing somthing unique? For me they are starting to have a coloured-infra-red look.

Not really interested in getting into this one again. For me the main goal of this board has always been sharing, teaching and learning. So if someone says it's as shot, in my mind, someone else should be able to learn from that and go take that same shot from the fast moving car using the same shutter speed/aperture combination and get the same shot.

But all tings being equal,they can't unless they buy your camera.

That was my only point here.

thx
Marko

question

tegan
09-08-2008, 01:54 PM
Are you suggesting that the tones in this image are NOT unusual and that this optimizer is not doing somthing unique? For me they are starting to have a coloured-infra-red look.

thx
Marko

question

I certainly am. Of course, they have been sandblasting and cleaning the Parliament buildings so I find a difference from my previous shots when the buildings were much dirtier. I have also been finding that my polarizer has given a more detailed, toned look to buildings as well.

Tegan

tegan
09-08-2008, 07:54 PM
if someone says it's as shot, in my mind, someone else should be able to learn from that and go take that same shot from the fast moving car using the same shutter speed/aperture combination and get the same shot.

But all tings being equal,they can't unless they buy your camera.

That was my only point here.
thx
Marko
question

You are not being realistic, Marko. I would say that anyone with a quality polarizer and the right natural lighting could get the same shot. Nikon has a post shot, dynamic light system as opposed to mine, but nevertheless, they could probably produce a similar shot as well. Members here have Nikons, Olympus, Sony and other cameras as well as Canon, so yes, they can get the same shot, if they check out what available options are available in their camera menus.

Tegan

Marko
09-08-2008, 08:59 PM
Could I get the same shot with the Pentax K-100? a Nikon FM2 or a Canon AE-1? (all old film cameras)

tegan
09-08-2008, 10:12 PM
Could I get the same shot with the Pentax K-100? a Nikon FM2 or a Canon AE-1? (all old film cameras)

Well, I would not bet on the Pentax K-100 but the Canon AE 1 or Nikon FM2 with a Singh Ray polarizer, a spot meter, and Kodak Gold Print film at ASA 200 would certainly do the job.

Tegan

Travis
09-09-2008, 08:30 AM
This shot appears tone mapped/cartoonish... whatever the in camera process it certainly doesn't like natural by any means. Does the Sony have high pass sharpening?

tegan
09-09-2008, 01:54 PM
This shot appears tone mapped/cartoonish... whatever the in camera process it certainly doesn't like natural by any means. Does the Sony have high pass sharpening?

At 14.2 megapixels, high pass sharpening would be somewhat in the nature of overkill.

Tegan

JoeMezz
09-09-2008, 02:40 PM
[QUOTE=tegan;4790]As I indicated elsewhere here, HDR on buildings is most often unnecessary.
This photo was AS SHOT, from a fast moving car with NO postprocessing.

Tegan
[QUOTE]

Tegan...

GREAT work. I really love it... thanks for posting

tegan
09-10-2008, 09:19 AM
This shot appears tone mapped/cartoonish... whatever the in camera process it certainly doesn't like natural by any means. Does the Sony have high pass sharpening?

Hey, a newly sandblasted building that no longer has the deep grey dirty look, along with 90 degree angle light which allows for maximum polarizing plus the metering calculations that provide for better dynamic range before shooting results in more tones. Skilled use of a spot meter, a graduated ND filter or Nikon's dynamic light in camera postprocessing would produce the same or nearly the same effect.

Increased detail or dynamic range is what you see with your eyes live, versus what you see in most photos afterward. That does make it natural, despite resulting in a different looking photo.

Tegan

tegan
09-10-2008, 09:20 AM
[QUOTE=tegan;4790]As I indicated elsewhere here, HDR on buildings is most often unnecessary.
This photo was AS SHOT, from a fast moving car with NO postprocessing.

Tegan
[QUOTE]

Tegan...

GREAT work. I really love it... thanks for posting

Thanks, Joe.

Tegan

tomorrowstreasures
09-15-2008, 06:48 PM
Tegan, I did not take the time to read all of the other CC...
I love this shot! It is so sharp and steady! And to have it positioned so well in the frame w/o cropping, etc. Nice job!!!

tegan
09-15-2008, 08:05 PM
Tegan, I did not take the time to read all of the other CC...
I love this shot! It is so sharp and steady! And to have it positioned so well in the frame w/o cropping, etc. Nice job!!!

Thanks, TT, considering it was taken from a fast moving car, I was happy that I had not forgotten my skills learned in photojournalist style shooting.

Tegan

PaulaLynn
09-16-2008, 06:45 AM
Thanks, TT, considering it was taken from a fast moving car, I was happy that I had not forgotten my skills learned in photojournalist style shooting.

Tegan

Would you care to share some of those skills?

tegan
09-16-2008, 09:45 AM
Would you care to share some of those skills?

The main basic is planning. Shooting out of a car with a wide angle means focus is at infinity, so I manually set it at infinity. Good sharpness, no picture noise, and contrast mean that an ISO of 100 is ideal, so I set that. A polarizing filter preset improves the sky, detail and colour. In shutter priority I stick the camera out the window and take a reading on another building.
It comes out at about 1/325 at f.5. I set that manually as well.

With everything preset, any DSLR will shoot very quickly. If in doubt about lighting, then the answer is continuous shooting in aperture bracketting mode.

In taking the shot, my concentration is on framing and a smooth panning motion as the car goes by the building. Making sure the horizon is straight is of course also important.

If it is planned well, then the unexpected is the only problem such as a distracting element entering the frame at the last moment such as a car or person in the wrong place compositionally. Can't do much about that. :)

Tegan