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This is a discussion on Critiquing Etiquette... within the Critiques forums, part of the Photography & Fine art photography category; I don't see any comments from TBond on theantiquetiger's critique....

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    I don't see any comments from TBond on theantiquetiger's critique.

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    I appreciate the civil back and forth here.

    The only (possibly) touchy additional point that i want to bring up - is that if you are self-admittedly new to photography, then you have a lot to learn.
    When you still have a lot to learn you should be more careful of the lessons you try to teach though critiques. Being softer with the critique makes sense to me in these cases.

    I don't know what point you are suggesting about the OP not answering back WD.....the not answering could mean anything good or bad.


    anyway...I'm sensitive about the way this forum is run and I've been running forums for a decade. Rudeness wrecks forums and i want this to be a friendly learning environment. I may have exaggerated my reaction on the critique at hand it seems.....but I'm okay with this because it almost never happens.

    Please know that I will almost always err on the side of friendliness and the side of the underdog....maybe it's part of being Canadian - but you're are stuck with me.
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    the point is that unless the OP is upset then why jump in before you know it to be true? If the object of the alleged rudeness doesn't find it so, it doesn't matter. If Tbold privately PMed to complain, that's one thing, if not why assume Tbold will be upset? I wonder if anyone would have said theantiquetiger was rude if you hadn't first said so. and one person's definition of rude seems to be vastly different than others and so smothers conversation further for fear of committing a faux pas. at least it does me. Now I don't dare post anything except sunshine and puppies and I know that won't help anyone improve. As I said, I'm not proposing a free-for-all flamefest, but I do think this reaction premature and too narrow to be inclusive of all temperaments.
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    If the OP (as a newbie) chooses not to return because of a rude post and the feeling of a 'hostile' environment then we can never know can we? It happens all the time on many forums.
    I already admitted to possibly over-reacting here but time will tell.
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    Some posts are just not very good and we've all seen them yet they still get the conciliatory "Nice shot" or similar from someone trying to be supportive. "Nice shot" can really mean "Nice shot" and be worthy or it can mean "Hmmm, So-So, keep trying, I'm being polite" If we are to be over-sensitive and leave only frivolous feel-good comments for photos outside of the critique pages then I don't see the point. Why would you post anywhere except in the critique forum if you expect honest feedback you can learn from? If you want to post for people to see a favourite photo or just carry on a conversation then the many forums here are good for that but the meat is in the critique forum. The rest is just fluff. Critique doesn't mean just criticize though and to be helpful the points for improvement need to be accompanied by suggestions on how to do that. We're all not orators so sometimes if it's a little rough around the edges oh well. If all you want are the feel-good comments about your photos then go ask your mom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
    Some posts are just not very good and we've all seen them yet they still get the conciliatory "Nice shot" or similar from someone trying to be supportive. "Nice shot" can really mean "Nice shot" and be worthy or it can mean "Hmmm, So-So, keep trying, I'm being polite" If we are to be over-sensitive and leave only frivolous feel-good comments for photos outside of the critique pages then I don't see the point. Why would you post anywhere except in the critique forum if you expect honest feedback you can learn from? If you want to post for people to see a favourite photo or just carry on a conversation then the many forums here are good for that but the meat is in the critique forum. The rest is just fluff. Critique doesn't mean just criticize though and to be helpful the points for improvement need to be accompanied by suggestions on how to do that. We're all not orators so sometimes if it's a little rough around the edges oh well. If all you want are the feel-good comments about your photos then go ask your mom.
    My mom is very critical of my photos.

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    I agree Andrew that if a person puts a photo in the critique section that she isn't asking for smoke blown up her butt. To be so thin skinned as to take offense at what people say about your photo when you've so offered it speaks volumes; you're not ready for prime time. As I said, I don't want a flame-war in there, but seriously it will become meaningless crap if everyone is now afraid to say anything without drawing hearts and rainbows around it.

    and Marko, my internet friend, who knows now what that person thought about the post or even if they saw it...now their reaction is assured to be negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marko View Post
    The only (possibly) touchy additional point that i want to bring up - is that if you are self-admittedly new to photography, then you have a lot to learn
    Mark, I see it the other way. As someone new to the photography world, I should not hold back on my critique. I usually state my sub-novice expertise in my critique (I forgot in this particular critique). I feel someone should not only critique the image, but critique my critique as well (which was done in this case). Like I've said before, I cannot critique on the technical side of the shot, so at this time, all I can offer is on the image itself. The "critique"of my critique on that thread helped me a lot.

    Does this make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theantiquetiger View Post
    Mark, I see it the other way. As someone new to the photography world, I should not hold back on my critique. I usually state my sub-novice expertise in my critique (I forgot in this particular critique). I feel someone should not only critique the image, but critique my critique as well (which was done in this case). Like I've said before, I cannot critique on the technical side of the shot, so at this time, all I can offer is on the image itself. The "critique"of my critique on that thread helped me a lot.

    Does this make sense?
    I know that when I put a photo in here for critique, I am really looking for technical critique, and for people who are experienced, and have a good eye, to call to my attention any mistakes I may have made. Of course, I am supremely self-confident, and could easily disagree. Some things, like "what the photos says to me" for example, are purely subjective.

    That doesn't make such critiques less relevant, of course.

    I am a largely self-taught photographer, who has managed to make money doing portraits without necessarily having the kind of technical knowledge that most at this forum have. I value their insight a lot, and consider it a gift. It's training, and it's FREE training.

    I can't always tell them to use a different focal length or aperture setting, but I can tell them what I would do differently, and that's why I sometimes edit their photos. I love my photoshop, but I wouldn't have to use it as much if I were better trained in getting the details right the first time.

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